Evnroll ER2 vs. Stroke lab Double Wide? It would be like asking Alice Cooper to sing some nursery rhymes. Lucky for you, one does. MyGolfSpy referred traffic crashes yet another website lol. Yet give an armature a $80 putter but tell him it costs $310 and hell think he putts better with it. It does also soften the strike which would require some adjustment and where standard face or shallow milled face putters seem to meander on past on a breaking slick downhiller, this putter seems to have a much more consistent distance control capability that stays near the hole. Sufficed to say that were 100% confident that many of you can absolutely lower your score by doing nothing more than changing putters. Nothing beats a Scotty!! A plain-face putter (one w/o grooves) doesnt make the ball come off the face at an angle just because the contact point is not at the center of the face, at the so-called sweet spot. They are at PGA Tour Superstores Currently. At 20 the PING Ketch Mid again finished on top, with 3 Evnroll models finishing within 3 putts. ODYSSEY O-WORKS #1: RRP 179. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Youll note that the grooves do not run the full width of the face, so if for some strange reason you feel you benefit from a dead toe, I suspect that would still be true. Fabulous putters. Evnroll ER2v MidLock 5 549 kr 6 199 kr. I have hit the Evnroll's many times. I would like to see a face balanced center shafted ER2CS or ER5CS, but that is me and that is how I roll. document.getElementById( "ak_js" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); There putter line looks like all rest Ping, Taylormade, Odyssey etc. Paste as plain text instead, I know the golf business is very tough, but this company could be the next failed Rife venture in 18-24 months. PGA SS Shenandoah Texas. The curving back phenomenon is explained because the grooves on the inside are deeper and have less space between them than those on the outside of the face. #PowerofTheClick, Yeah, that would be sweet! I dispute the comments about the hard feel. Didnt have as good of a feel either in my opinion, Ok I just played my first 18 with the ER2I missed NO putts inside 10 with 3 birdies within that range..2nd best score of the year..the article definitely lives up to the hype..Im amazed at the roll the ball gets..hard to tell sweet spot as the whole face feels like that..this putter has supplanted the Carbon Ringo in my bag which I owned even before your review on that company. Thus, if you are hitting your putter in the center of the face, the tech does not come into play. That means providing you with equipment reviews you can trust, A decade of data we have collected shows no correlation between Sound/Looks and Performance. Both putters have the Evnroll Gravity Grips which are amazing. Your comments are on the money. The Bettinardi Kuchar 35 model has this sweetness as did the original black cameron Golo from 6 years ago. Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. Blah, blah, blah bottom line, gotta make money, blah, blah. But after a technology is proven it also had to work with the multiple ways a golfer will use that particular putter (stroke type, etc.). Im getting the speed down very quickly and excited to see if my stats drop measurably over a full season. That is elite company to say the least. BUT WHY????? yet never bettered. This is my favorite golf site and Tony is my favorite author on here. If you play on the local muni or other "Value" public courses with slow greens it takes a lot of effort to hit lag putts outside of 50'. Secondly, some indication of the handicapps of each of the testers would have also been useful. He was a great putter and did it with an old Bullseye, which is arguably one of the least forgiving putters out there. Get one. Definitely not bad performance but extremely similar to the Anser TR line from last year (the copper colored putters) Distance control was good. The odyssey is an older putter with a soft insert in the face to slow the impact down. Tonico: the founder is the same guy who started RIFE putters, which we represent. C $253.55. Sorry to say but this claim is bogus as it defies the laws of physics. I suppose no one wants to listen to the fact that we have proven this to not be true over and over and over again. Im so much more consistent. We believeEvnrollputter technology can do for golfers on the green what titanium did on the tee box. Uhh, spin. It was more like slapping the ball around. 3. shafts, which rife can easily incude. Would you spend $329 on a driver that you use about 8 times a round? Golfer are a weird bunch people Ive had five putters in the last 37 years. I found that the ER1 has a lower face height than the Scotty Newport I was using. Scotty Cameron to me is just a hype and too commercial. A bit of hyping in the article, and more than many are accustomed to seeing out of MGS. You can post now and register later. The biggest change was a putting lesson. I removed the original grip-weighted shaft and replaced it with a conventional shaft and grip which gives it a nice heavy head feel (400 g mid-weight head face-balanced ) which translates to a smoother stroke instead of a hit! ^^^ thinks $300+ for a putter you use every almost every hole is high, but probably willing to spend $400+ on a driver that is only used 7-12 times a round if that..priorities LOL!!! you mention the two dots on the top as an additional alignment aidand they are, although, as Rife himself points out:Each design has two small, unpainted dots on the top line of the putter 1/8 to either side of the center cavity sightline. The ball doesnt whiffle ball to the hole . How people get there and what makes the. Nothing more, nothing less. I decided to try something different. When it comes to putters I listen..the Carbon that was tested has been in my bag since last fall and Ive done very well in tournament play where I live because of itand Im a custom putter guy..if the stats bear out with the ER2 then I will be even happier! Do you have the courage to pay an apology to MGS and reinstate their credibility they lost with you Just wondering.. Great work MGS Keep up the great work?? http://instagram.com/evnroll. The traffic from this article to their site has caused some server issues. Beautiful. But again that is MY experience and I started playing in the mid 1970s when putter had thin heads and weighed nothing. Plus, I loved their lighter option jumbo grip. What a bunch of trolls. Practically, this means the brand will feature a single black-and-white color scheme that includes the grip and head cover. They will be out of business in less than five years. The SG score is a RELATIVE scoring system, so it will change every time based on the putters it is being compared too. I wouldnt worry about absolute value for that reason, but rather, where the score sits relative to the rest. Copyright 2023. #dontknockituntilyoutryit In this case, were talking about putters, specifically Evnroll putters, and the man behind it all, Guerin Rife. Thanks for the link. I wonder if anyone who has played these has experience. Some putter grooves have been shown to produce forward roll more quickly than others. I have the ER6 and yes, I know I have to hit the ball a bit harder. What puzzles me is, that the Evnroll putters seem to have no advantage on longer puts (20) Our job is to put those claims to the test. Your test results belie the notion that the Evnroll putters are capable of imparting hook/slice spin. Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. 304 Stainless provide a great finish sets up nice behind the ball. The (alleged) benefit of Evnrolls face groove technology is that it corrects mis-hits. Ping Eye 2 Iron Set 3-9+SW Black Dot Karsten Regular Graphite Mens LH. Do some research. The performance was pretty much identical but I took the Scotty. Interesting that the Ketsch still did better at 20 feet. 5 puts less than my previous round just 3 days earlier on the same course and the rounds were within one shot of each other. It had banged against other putters on the demo floor but the top-line was still in decent shape. I really enjoyed the Evnroll putter however the center hits feel kind of dead at times (like you have to hit it a little harder); which i believe is due to the groove technology. I could possibly buy the criticism that pros mishit the putter less often than amateurs..but no one hits the dead-nuts center of the face every time. Gravity has nothing to do with it as its on a hard surface ??? I am sure I can sort this out quickly with a bit of practice. This is about his third (maybe fourth?) Pardon me? Six years ago, Evnroll compelled golfers to consider the limits of how a putter could impact both the speed and direction of every putt. My only regret is that I havent murdered out my ER2..yet. Since their website is down and they are working hard on getting it back up, here is a link to their Instagram site so you can start getting some ideas of the product and their technology. This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google, (your email address will not be published), Contest Win a Custom Evnroll ER3 Tour Putter, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQBmo2nemU0&spfreload=10, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1dXsUmILmE. We just found this particular review a little hyped and the Gearing claim is what many of us are put off by., steer the ball back to the target, in particular. [texts-excerpt] multiplying imaginary numbers with square roots calculatorFREE EstimateFREE Estimate Distance control was very uniform as advertised but being on a flat, indoor surface it is hard to know if the accuracy is significantly better than my current putter. Do you have any time-lapse photos taking during your testing of this putter than can show your readers that in fact this putter produces gear effect related curvature of the golf ball? Evnroll ER2B MidBlade Putter A center-shafted shorter, wider heel and toe weighted flange blade. Gear effect is an aerodynamic producted effect and not a ground produced effect. #PowerToThePlayer. Our AI tool automatically assigns a score from 0 to 10 based on the collected data. So which is itrobots good, or robots bad? THeres a lot of difference in most golfers putting ability between a 15-20 handicap versus a 0-5 handicap. You have to try them to see for yourself before you have anything negative to say. If the ball is curving on its way to the hole then please explain the physics of why the ball is curving. In this test you show the ER2 at SG18 =1.51, yet in the 2017 most wanted blade you show the ER2 as SG18=0.96. We see the same thing in our test facility. Also why in the world would I be daft enough to walk into a chain megastore and plunk down a huge amount of $$ on something I wasnt even fit for? Plenty of putter brands make a version of this design. We have contacted them and let them know. And I have to say Alex, yes they are. You would think most of the curvature back toward center occurs in the first foot or 2 followed by a somewhat straight ball, but there has to be some influence to the side as well. What a world we now live in! Still amazes me the power of marketing. Chris is a self-diagnosed equipment and golf junkie with a penchant for top-shelf ice cream. You can see it straight away. For me a light putter has no feel to it at all, the heavier putter requires more touch to roll a ball the right distance on different speed greens and different slopes. Im confused MGS. As others have mentioned no lefty options? Having gamed several Rifes in the past, my opinion is that grooves do put a smoother roll on the ball, and Rife himself has an eye for a clean design (even if the shapes are highly derivative/copies). What about how quickly the cell phone virtually eliminated the payphone? Thanks for your help, much appreciated. I have been interested in trying out the CR5CS with the Gravity Grip but I never see anyone having one in stock. That said I was still sold just by how nicely the ball consistently came off the face and rolled. The critical mass on the outside of the face is greater than the critical mass on the inside. I absolutely love my evnroll. Evnroll models dominated the top 5 from 5 feet. Thank you. The best putters ever made are, used putters why because they are only used once for half the price. And i see that a lot with other putters and players. Hey Karl, that is an excellent description of how this technology works. Too expensive. For longer putts the most important thing is speed, and proper line as well, but alignment and aiming issues can really affect the putt sinking or not. Sometimes technology seems to change literally overnight. ER2 - Evnroll US ER 2 Rated 4.94 out of 5 based on 87 customer ratings 87 A shorter, wider heel and toe weighted flange blade. Were a brand for putter nerds, asserts Rife. "Isn't it funny? The first four putters were 20 years in the making. Guerin Rife. whereas the technology should help more, the longer the distance (due to geometrical reasons) Rife has made center shafted putters before, so Im a little surprised they didnt initially release one. Odyssey Stroke Lab Double Wide . Artiklar om golf; Villkor . funny, that the biggest advantage is on short puts exact the opposite of what is to expect, if the ball is rolling the same distance in the same line, on off-center hits Folks think high cost equals better product so they purchase it. This time I brought in 2 ProV1x golf balls and was shocked how much more I liked this putter when not using the TopFlite balls scattered on the practice green. Just got fit for an ER5 and love it! What forces are in play that are making the ball curve? Felt like I could take my hands off it and it'd still work. Lets go back to what piqued our curiosity about this technology. Is Scotty Cameron in Trouble?! Thanks for the previous info on the Evnroll. The best putters ever made are, used putters why because they are only used once for half the price. I see from the data it says Guerin Evnroll, does he not make Guerin putters anymore? Their phone number is (760) 448-6450, Where will they be available and how much. Five years ago, Rife stated, with tongue firmly in cheek, that our goal is modestwe want every foursome in America using Evnroll putters.. What ive found is that on greens with very slick surfaces, over 5 feet, Im much more consistent and putt way better with the odyssey as it slows the ball coming of the face so that even if I miss the longer putt it doesnt go as far. But as other have noted, 3 other factors count. I assume you would have to hit it left of center to generate a right correction. Put differently, Evnroll established itself first with gearheads and consumers who held performance as the only worthy metric. That to me means something is original. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. It had the small Evnroll grip on it. or frustrating for consumers who expect the opportunity for an annual update. After about 25 minutes there were occasions where I may have sensed/noticed the technology working but I wasnt sure. Like other companies, Rife purposely overbought certain pieces of inventory so that, as he says, we can sell as many putters as people will buy., Scotty Cameron is the 800-pound gorilla in the room when it comes to putters. Amongst pricing benefits, with several machine shops and a handful of CAD (computer-aided design) engineers, the Cameron empire can create prototypes and experimental designs and run several design cycles in parallel, all while maintaining a standard production schedule. Also seems to apply to other clubs not as popular too for the retail Gods give their stores what to sell. MyGolfSpy, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Bought the ER6 at our local PGA Superstore last week, took it out straight away and won the member guest at my club! This keeps the ball travelling on the high side of the target line..I can certainly back this up, it really does keep the ball above the break. In 2017, we traced Rifes story from his roots as an ad agency art director to one of the most highly regarded creative thinkers and putter designers in the game. Many golfers need the lighter head weights in their putters. Evnroll ER2 4 999 kr. The dots also assist the golfer on aligning breaking putts. The evolution of Evnroll requires a return to a cohesive, unifying, identity. NOW AVAILABLE: GolfWRX G/Fore Hats and Holderness & Bourne Polos! Sorry MGS, no gear effect to be seen on these videos. Three putts hit on the last video, with no visual indication of where those putts were hit from. MyGolfSpy, Inc. All Rights Reserved. By raskal21, March 26, 2020 in Putters Followers Reply to this topic Start new topic raskal21 Advanced Members 795 Feedback 86 0 0 Total Rating 100% Ill give it another try. We (10 yr old son) bought one last month after talking to someone and comparing other putters with a fitter. Had a putter fitting 2 months ago, had the Er2 on my hand. But never say never, maybe Id be convinced to try another Rife designsomeday. Why not left handed??? The face tech is real and works. Sorry, Karl, but gear effect is not an aerodynamic phenomenon. Having some idea of the handicaps of the testers will give more credability to the accuracy and meaningfulness of the test. For 10 and 20 foot putts (and even some 5 foot putts) different green speeds could have a very significant difference in the putter accuracy. Lastly,, perhaps their own zero- torque shaft (Stability)) that is optimized for their head designs. Mental placebo, actual tech whatever it may be, I love my ER2 and will never be changing. Hi Mick, I called them earlier to order a putter. Copyright 2023. Who cares if it is just an expensive chunk of pretty metal but doesnt perform; you look good spring it during your 3-putts?? NOW AVAILABLE: GolfWRX G/Fore Hats and Holderness & Bourne Polos! I replaced it with the ER2 on a whim just to try it and boom, it stayed in the bag. It is designed with varying depth grooves to promote the same distance putt across the face. Nothing rolls like.. So the gearing effect happens at impact, correct? Had my er2 in the bag now for the last couple of years here in Australia and am yet to see another. I could easily see the technology working for a high handicapper as well. I game a Wilson Staff The L putter. Have been playing golf for about 55 years. My grandfather shot in the 70s well into his 80s. I loved the sound, the feel, and the performance. Ive had the ER 1 for around 5 plus years, and more than 85 percent of the time its in the bag, I do like the product. If anything a weighted head requires more feel but that is my opinion and my experience. I would love to believe that a putter costing $350 dollars would actually produce the skill it would take to reduce the number of putts, to warrant such a price. Thus, Evnrolls tagline, Nothing Rolls Like an Evnroll. Its a sentiment similar to Mizunos Nothing Feels Like A Mizuno catchphrase or my personal favorite, Nobody out pizzas the Hut. The point is that owning and leveraging a unique piece of real estate, in any market, is vital and really freaking difficult. I know at least one European tour player is using it. Most come with little to no evidence that the advancement offered, whatever it happens to be, can actually lower your score. Millions of dollars of R&D and still very little data that suggests newer tech is better tech. Your link has been automatically embedded. Fan for life. And it concerns me that the envnroll starts getting worse as the distance increases. Your call. Anyhow, dont try it if you dont want, but my ER2 is not coming out of my bag any time soon, that is for sure. People regularly spend more for putters that do less for them. Why not? The biggest complaint about Evnroll putters has to do with speed off the face. I judge a clubs performance by the balls performance it gives. The 2 is good. 360-370 grams take all touch and feel out of putting. Will agree that his distance control has improved. The objective is to find opportunities where other brands stopped a design short of what Rife sees as its full potential. Which is the type of putter I play. They are woody feeling and harsh. Flj oss . Then I remember, Im a nerd. text from article. It has helped me big time. Dont be cheap if it brings you pleasure or better golf scores. Im still in maybe $130 for a putter Id put up against the big names. Not an oversized grip fan so that was an adjustment. The bigger nerds are going to cry foul if those words are used. As option: an insert w/ parabolic groove technology but made from copper alloy / Terrillium My answer would be for now. So I must say I was hasty in my review above regarding the feel being off. Evnroll technology is the culmination ofGuerin Rifes long career, and the results suggest its nothing short of a masterpiece. If you did you would be giving up realperformance. Ummm.what is the article about and what are the conclusions, if any? That made finding the vertical sweet spot a bit of a adjustment. What gives? The ball doesnt actually curve back while rolling? The Er2 was something special in my hands. what is Gearing how does it work? Maybe the lefties should kneel on the first tee ala kapernick for the lack of respect toward the south paws. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQBmo2nemU0&spfreload=10 Im not sure what they are arguing about here. If you are using a good ball like a Pro V or Taylomade TP the feel is very soft without being mushy. Either Rife and his team use available resource to produce retail models or they use those same resources for prototyping and special projects. At 20 the PING Ketch Mid again finished on top, with 3 Evnroll models finishing within 3 putts. Each feature has a purpose that ultimately supports better performance without compromising the aesthetic. That is, 80 percent of your sales generally come from 20 percent of your SKUs. One thing to consider with the purchase of EVNROLL putters is the speed of your greens. One could argue that this is either beneficial (is a year really enough time to create a quantifiably better putter?) . 5 Testers Needed! I have a Mezz.1 prototype, number 33 of the first 100. Information. No one screamed we are actually typing. I have been rolling it into the center of my practice green quite accurate only missed 1 out of 20 because I did not hit it hard other wise it would have gone in as well. Kinda feel like wood or as if i was stroking the putt with a wrench or something non-putter. Probably best if they made sure evnroll.com was up before posting this. We want you to get the most out of your Amazing feel Envroll ER2 Clearly I though I was headed the Mallet direction but actually the ER2 and the Queen B 8 were my favorite two and they are the more stretched blade style. I would think it would be damaging to tell you something other than what happened. Lefties are not a big part of the market. Actually they are all good EXCEPT I can't stand the sound on the 5. This is what we call disruptive technology. Irons on the other hand you seem to keep to long. Sorry bud. Its quality thru and thru. That is a great use for putter robot testing. I bought the ER2 the first day it was available (came across it by accident). If they did so, I would have expected to see far more missed putts. No bribes, please. Glad to see a robot in the test (and mention of robot testing in a couple other articles recently). Refinement necessitates a clear acknowledgement of products that define a brand. Im most interested in the 5 and 10 foot results (my misses). Call it a head-to-head test against only the best. This is due to the amount of material removed from the face to machine the grooves. Thats going a bit far. Evnroll ER2 vs. Stroke lab Double Wide? Its a claim no other putter brand makes. That will impart an initial spin that is angled slightly towards the center of the face, which will result in off center hits spinning slightly back towards the hole (like a motorcycle tire needing to tilt to turn). We learned plenty. Youve probably seen the videos. After seeing videos of this technology we quickly reached out to Evnroll putters and asked for samples to be sent to the MyGolfSpy Test Facility for further evaluation. Testing them myself and yes they are. Free shipping for many products! Wouldnt a harder stroke introduce more error in to the putting stroke? Even a deviation of 1/8-1/4 from center is super common. Tried to go to their website, but get an error any idea how to contact them? And did you watch the videos, MGS? Product information Technical Details Additional Information Feedback Would you like to tell us about a lower price? Odyssey etc. Did you change your mind yet? It took quite a few years to apply this simple thought to a putter. Odyssey DFX One 1 499 kr. Rife is quick to acknowledge the 80/20 retail rule. Did you leave balls short for a while until you adjusted? Does anyone have a discount code for ordering online? I tried some of their models but just couldnt control the amount of rolls I wanted.