I do remember an article about this first revolver in that it was so exactly copied from an original that even experienced Colt collectors had difficulty in telling the prototype from an original. 1866 Rifle Manual. WebThat isn't going to be the case with the Italian replicas, but more often than not the answer is easily found stamped on the revolver. A.S.M Remington 1858 Colt .36 with 21 grains. Many find that the higher loads are less accurate. New in Box-never fired. Pietta and Uberti cylinders do not interchange. A friend of mine purchased a 1874 Sharps repo made by them a few years. The percussion caps are a standard size. 44 Caliber; 85% blue, very good bore, very good grips, 8'' barrel, REPRODUCTION NEW MODEL ARMY REVOLVER IN VERY GOOD CONDITION. I even got a lee mold to cast mini BP bullet for 36 cal , but cause the bullet was a tad long to fit in cly loading press on the navy,I never tried it thanks Stan. If you load it with 30 grains, you get about 200 ft-lbs energy. Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Black Powder replica. He sent it back twice because of some minor issues, but its a nice gun for ~$200. Price Realized: Details Payment Terms Shipping. Im 66 years old and I have been wanting to get a 1858black powder for a while now but because I live in Illinois I cant get no one to order me one . I shoot them once in a while for old times' sake, and have loaned them out many times, with no problems. Despite my kill, in my opinion, its not strong enough but fun as a backup which is why I used it. The .44 Remmington is a very strong gun. None other than William Buffalo Bill Cody wrote of his old 1858 Remington, It never failed me. If you had a few briefcases full of C-notes sitting around last summer, you could have bid on Buffalo Bills 1858 Remington, along with his hand-written note extolling the virtues of Beals revolver. Their SAA's are a good example. The other was a blued adjustable-sight Old Army that was just sheer round-ball hilarious to shoot. The conversion cylinders may be purchased only through an FFL, as the change makes the pistol no longer a relic as it fires readily available modern ammo. In 2004 I orderd a Uberti 1851 Colt part from the very back of the Brownells catalog the Uberti part fit better than the original, with both parts out side by side the Uberti had better finnish, the 'ASM' part had tool marks and general over all rough apperance (probibly why I have two ASM revolvers, both were imports thru EMF. Web44 Caliber; very good+ bore, good grips, 7.75'' barrel, Pietta .44 caliber Remington 1858 style six shot black powder revolver in nickel plate finish. In the original box serial numbered to the gun. I had not planned to involve myself in another topic, but there was so much conflicting information about what guns do and do not require involvement of the BATF. This may provoke howls of outrage, but whitetails with a scoped .243 or .308 is not hunting. Not really outrage, but an eyeroll for sure. I purchased it new from EMF in 1986. All of the Pietta replicas I have are fantastic, and they were all sourced from the same supplier (see last paragraph). Fine. Traditions 1858 Army Remington .44Cal Black Powder Revolver In 2004 I orderd a Uberti 1851 Colt part from the very back of the Brownells catalog the Uberti part fit better than the original, with both parts out side by side the Uberti had better finnish, the 'ASM' part had tool marks and general over all rough apperance (probibly why Stamped on top of octagon barrel "1855 SPAIN". Be like suing Ruger if they called one of their 1911 models "Old Slabsides", or Uberti over their new 1873 "Thumbuster". No record exists of his ever giving an Ordinary, Plain workmanlike Pistol, to anyone who might actually have to FIGHT with the badly designed piece of Junk!!!!! He examined the gun and proclaimed it one of the good ones and made me a really good offer that I applied to a like new in box NMV. WebAN ARMI SAN MARCO pistol is currently worth an average price of $286.19 new and $274.52 used . Both sets of these .38 revolvers seem just a bit smaller in the grips and frames than the ASM .45's. WebArmi San Marco Black Powder Revolvers Remington 1858 Army & Navy Parts List Sort by: Show Available 0 Schematic w/ Parts List 1 Barrel 2 Barrel Stud 3 Loading Lever Latch 4 Loading Lever Latch Spring 5 Latch Pin 6 Loading Lever 7 Loading Lever Link Pin 8 Loading Lever Link 9 Plunger 12 Loading Lever Screw 13 Base Pin 14 Cylinder 16 Bolt 17 date of manufacture for Italian replica six Always like the Remington over the Colt design ever since seeing Lorne Greenes on Bonanza as a kid. All year long he trains the deer to come to his corn feeder. Grips show some 36 Caliber; 90% blue, very good bore, very good grips, 7.5'' barrel, Navy Arms Model 1861 Navy six shot .36 caliber black powder revolver, made by Uberti. Used, bore is dirty, grips are worn. Bore inn very good condition showing some light surface corrosion. The Beals model came earlier, then the Old Model Army/Navy, and, finally, the new Model. Youve done a real service to fellow shooters there. Grips for the Uberti 1873 Cattleman El Patron Grizzly Paw New Model as well as the 1860 and 1872 Colt army made by Cimarron, Pietta and Uberti. Johnnie Roper. My First Colt Style Gun, and my Last Colt style gun! About 200 ft-lbs Energy All three of my BP weapons took the same size cap. NAVAL SCENE ENGRAVED ON CYLINDER. Not Richards Mason, but Richards like Tom Selleck had in "Sabre River". Didn't Colt threaten to sue ASM because of they're use of a "pony" on the grip? The used value of an ARMI SAN MARCO pistol has fallen ($12.42) Grips in very good condition, brass trigger guard 44 Caliber; 94% blue, very good bore, good grips, 9'' barrel, UBERTI REPRODUCTION OF A COLT 1847 WALKER PERCUSSION REVOLVER. Estimated Price: $400 - $600. For shooting comfortable loads for target shooting I use 20g black-powder followed with 20g of Cream of Wheat then the ball and finally the lard-beeswax. He took the gun back. It is THE most accurate handgun I've ever fired. Dont ever get law and logic mixed up; they have nothing in common. Used, grip strap wear and shows handling. The owner was very knowledgeable about his business. Armi San Marco - VTIGunparts I had a pawl spring break on my late 1980's era EMF 1860 (Armi San Marco). Colt's have firing pin/recoil bushing and hardened pressed in bolt cams. WebThis conversion cylinder assembly will convert your 1858 Remington ASM, Uberti or Pietta steel or brass .44 cap and ball revolver to fire .22 cartridges. The grips were too thin to get a good grip of. Blued finish, brass triggerguard, with walnut grips. ARMI SAN MARCO He took the gun back. And they still shoot just as straight and true as the originals. 20?) Walnut stock. How about a five year old 1851 Navy, to a current 1861 Navy? WebDescription: Remington Model 1858 New Model Army Revolver, .44 caliber. It ensures that every round fires the same without pushing the ball too deep into the cylinder. They are the Edsel of. The reason is that .44 is the muzzle diameter. I also had 2 spare cylinders. Armi San Marco This was sold and moved to Marietta, OH., and then, in around 1973, was sold to Navy Arms. Remington with 40 grains. THE BRIGHT BLUING IS EVEN THROUGHOUT. Original blued finish and plain walnut grips. They refused to talk with the others. I dont use grease on the cylinder. Today, we know Old Number 21478 as the Remington 1858 . ARMI SAN MARCO There, you should find a roman numeral or two character alphabetical stamp. (not by much) sInce they use the .44 barrel boared for .22s, the strength is well past ridiculous, even for the .22 Magnum. I have a Pietta with after-market Tresso nipples that are just slightly smaller and regular caps fall off, but Dynamil Nobel 1075s fit perfectly. Both can be fixed just like Colt fixed them in the day. Thats meat harvesting and theres nothing wrong with it. Mmmmmmlightly-grilled, corn-fed Bambis mother backstrap.mmmmmmm. The one thing I really like is that the entire process of loading is actually fun, whereas for my M&P45 loading a mag isnt something to get excited about. In the case of a revolver it isnt nearly as serious as making a machine gun, obviously, but still illegal, ATF requires any receiver that takes modern manufacture ammunition to be given a serial number and registered, and must be someone who is legally able to alter and build firearms under state and fed law. Web44 Caliber; very good+ bore, good grips, 7.75'' barrel, Pietta .44 caliber Remington 1858 style six shot black powder revolver in nickel plate finish. And if both Buffalo Bill and Clint Eastwood liked it in different centuries, you know its got to be good. Modern Reproduction .44 Cal percussion. Pietta "1858" CCH Hammer with lowered Spur by Ol' #4 30.00 + 2.75 shipping via USPS Selling as a set: Pietta Hammer, Trigger, Hand w/spring, Bolt/Trigger Spring and Hammer Spring 23.00 shipped. The Tom Selleck Western (from a Louis Lamour book) crossfire trail, the last scene has a virtual plethora of late 1800 iron in use by both the good and bad guys. 10s will probably be best. FS: "1858" Remington Gun Parts To date I have only had two minor issues with it: - 1) the firing pin retainer had to tapped in a bit as dragged on the frame very mildly, local smith fixed that in 2 seconds. I considered making a set of lamps out of them but decided to give them away at 1/3 of what I paid for them. If youve ever thought about getting into cap-and-ball pistols, and want an easy-to-use handgun thats also rugged and dependable, check out an 1858 Remington. If you look closely during that scene, you can see the metallic cartridge loading gate cut into the 1858, as well as the metallic cartridges themselves peeking out of the cylinder that Preacher grabs with his left hand. After that, the law is quite simple, though apparently foolish. Left grip has a chip of wood missing at the pin on the back edge. I use the same 452s in my bps that my wife uses in her .45 acp both 452s with the ring shear it is still .450. Pew Poll: Gun Control Losing Steam, Money and Popularity, Gun Review: Smith & Wesson Model 317 Kit Gun .22LR Revolver, New From ShaloTek: P320 Compensated Slide, The 3 Most Important Handgun Shooting Stances to Learn, http://www.taylorsfirearms.com/blackpowder-revolvers/1851-1861-navy-collection/1851-navy-steel-36-5-octagonal-barrel-steel-case-hardened-frame-brass-backstrap-trigger-guard-model-002.html, Johnnie Roper (Gunslinger9378 on the 1858Remington.com Forum. WebAsm armi san marco 1858 Cylinder Pin #165 Pre-Owned $22.99 weimdog27 (722) 100% Buy It Now Free 3 day shipping Sponsored Armi San Marco MSM inc dual trigger set with adjustment hawken muzzle loader $150.00 eldorablerentals (1,449) 100% Buy It Now +$9.50 shipping Sponsored ARMI SAN MARCO ASMREMINGTON 1858BLUESTEEL Reenacting: CW & IW WebRemington Rolling Block; Remington Lee; 1865 Springfield (1st Allin) 1866 Springfield (2nd Allin) 1868-70 Springfield (50/70) 1873-1889 Springfield (45/70) 1873 Winchester; 1885 Winchester; 1895 Winchester Lee Navy; Winchester Hotchkiss; Winchester Model 61; Winchester Model 62; Winchester Model 86; Winchester Model 90/06; Winchester Web1858 Remington, Richards Mason & Open Top Conversion Manual. Did you wash it in kitchen sink? As neat as that would seem it can also be a curse. Armi San Marco took some bad rep. toward the end of the Companys run. Action functions fine., s/n 0181xx. Manufacturer: ARMI SAN MARCO. ARMI SAN MARCO WOODEN STOCK IS VERY GOOD WITH LIGHT HANDLING WEAR 36 Caliber; 80% blue, very good bore, very good grips, 8'' barrel, REPRODUCTION NEW MODEL NAVY REVOLVER IN GOOD CONDITION.. Mounted Shooting 1873 Rifle Cleaning Instructions. I often find them employed at LGS and they are a good resource. Powered by Invision Community. In my experience, the fit and finish of the Italian replicas is not so much who makes them as who imports them and sells them in the US. 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The only thing I don't like about it is that the very tip of the trigger is a little "sharp" compared to a real Colt, and if you try to spin it, it is a little uncomfortable on your finger. That's your build date. I know! And you thought the New York reload was a modern invention? Some of it justifiedhowever if you know the reason then it's some what understandable. Bluing shows wear and scratches overall with a turn ring and wear to the notches on the cylinder. Model: 1858. Didn't happen though. In 1993, the Hartford line was introduced by E.M.F. Price Realized: Details Payment Terms Shipping. Got one of each. A) Armi San Marco 1858 New Model Percussion Revolver. Remington. Of course it is one of the old ones which may be the reason. Pretty simple. Grips They were in a nut shell, junk. BORE IS VERY GOOD 44 Caliber; 75% blue, good bore, 8'' barrel, REPRODUCTION NEW MODEL ARMY REVOLVER IN GOOD CONDITION. But, Armi Sport is still in business (under a new name). Customer Service. I've been told these ASM revolvers' parts interchange with Colt 1st generation. Its parts will interchange with all 3 of my Colt 2nd Gen 1851, except the barrel (the pins at the front of the frame are placed differently). After that, the law is quite simple, though apparently foolish. This was when ASM/Chaparral was making the infamous 73's and 66's. Im 75, so I move a bit slower than earlier today. No feeder, but a scoped .243 at 75 yards (distance to the tree line) no one calls it hunting. Had a cowboy smith smooth the internals so they dont chew each other up.ook mighty sweet in a pair of El Paso Saddlery crossdraw Slim Jims. I have been told of caps jamming up a Remington Revolver, but in over Twenty Years of shooting Remingtons, have not had a single jam caused by a cap! Manufacturer: ARMI SAN MARCO. Its trigger was lightened for target use, so its ridiculously easy to fire. The same dimensional differences for width, etc will occur with the triggerguard and backstrap at the frame, but the screw pattern is always right on. Actually it was because of the pony on the grips AND the name, Colt won the lawsuit. THSS TSRA NRA Life The problem doing that is the bolt finger like the 1st gens was really sharp and the cams on the hammers were soft. Web1858 Remington, Richards Mason & Open Top Conversion Manual. My first BP was a 1861 Colt Navy in .36. Rare US coins, Carson City, Nevada history, Redheads. To be smooth like a real Winchester. So based upon my experience, ASM is a solid hit or a wide miss. WebDescription: Remington Model 1858 New Model Army Revolver, .44 caliber. I shoot both of them and they are a hoot. But always remember that the original buffal0 rifles were all black powder cartridges. I have heard it all about these weapons not having the power to stop anything bigger than a deer or coyotes. The one who makes a career of it will begin to stick out like a sore thumb, before long just based on the volume of questionable facts he spouts. Just make sure that you compress the powder with the ball when you press it into the cylinder. You are to be congratulated in Choosing the BEST designed Black Powder Percussion revolver on the Market! 1860 Henry Manual. I still shot it without the ejector, and got pretty good at ejecting shells with a nail on a leather thong. Range, of course, is quite limited. 1873 Rifle Manual. Eventually, the design inspired the 1875 Remington, a true metallic cartridge revolver, but one that clearly shows the influences from the 1858. ASM attempted to revive its percussion revolvers with limited success and finally closed its doors several years back. Traditions 1858 Army Remington .44Cal Black Powder Revolver Gauge: 44 percussion. It was stiff, clunky, and in the words of a couple of different pards, "painful to watch" me trying to use it. To sum up, if you want a gun that you can use for Years, Pass it onto your Son, or maybe even your Grandson, buy a steel framed Remington Style Revolver from Either Pietta, or A.Uberti & Son, and with due care and respect, the gun will last several lifetimes! I wound up selling it shortly thereafter. 1858 remington by armi san marco I have guns I bought from them as long ago as 2001, and they are all beautiful. These models have steel frames with German silver plated backstrap and trigger guard, inspectors cartouche on grip, and trade for approximately $20-$40 higher than standard The 1858 is the modern name for the Remington New Model Army/Navy revolvers, which were introduced circa 1863. the 1858 is Lee van Cleefs gun in Good, bad and the ugly. He then shoots it. Take that, and cross reference it the list below. THE BORE IS .45 Colt; near mint bore, like new grips, 7 1/2'' barrel, UBERTI CATTLEMAN REPRODUCTION OF A COLT SAA IN EXCELLENT CONDITION. Plain walnut grips. SOLD Nicks a real tech wizard. THERE ARE NO .45 Colt; 98% blue, very good+ bore, near mint grips, 3'' barrel, UBERTI CATTLEMAN REPRODUCTION OF A COLT SHERIFS MODEL IN EXCELLENT USED CONDITION. They supplied American retailers with replica firearms over the 1960s thru 1990s. Lightning Manual. I had a pawl spring break on my late 1980's era EMF 1860 (Armi San Marco). My personal recipe for 1858 fun is 25 grains of holy black with a .454 diameter round lead ball seated firmly atop it. THE BORE IS 45 Caliber; 97% blue, good bore, excellent grips, 10'' barrel, ITALIAN REPRODUCTION OF A "W.MOORE-LONDON" SINGLE SHOT CAP & BALL PISTOL IN VERY GOOD OVERALL CONDITION. Of course, I didn't run them like the hot shoes. Second, every forum has those who will not allow an absence of knowledge interfere with their conveyance of information. Black Powder Revolver Manual. THE NICKLE PLATED FINISH IS GENERALLY EXCELLENT WITH A SPOT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE GRIP STRAP SHOWING DISCOLORATION. It could not be made to run. It is all nickle, less the cylinder and plunger, which are gold, and a walnut grip. Theres something fun about putting the Glock 30 away and taking out the Peacemaker. Armi San Marco 1858 Frankly, I like the 45LC version better. While some parts just dropped right in and worked, the replacement hands needed the most work. .44 Cal percussion. I found Uberti cap & call cylinders a drop-in fit in both Uberti and Colt 1st, 2nd and 3rd gen Navies and Armies. WebAsm armi san marco 1858 Cylinder Pin #165 Pre-Owned $22.99 weimdog27 (722) 100% Buy It Now Free 3 day shipping Sponsored Armi San Marco MSM inc dual trigger set with adjustment hawken muzzle loader $150.00 eldorablerentals (1,449) 100% Buy It Now +$9.50 shipping Sponsored ARMI SAN MARCO ASMREMINGTON 1858BLUESTEEL In 1993, the Hartford line was introduced by E.M.F. Remington 1858 Armi San Marco FS: "1858" Remington Gun Parts Thanks. This was a very common happening in the field. If you see one for sale someplace, check it out carefully before you buy. I am a bit of a traditionalist so I have 50-50 lard-beeswax that I put on cylinder after loading; cleaning is easy with hot water and Ballistol. It is considered a part and can be ordered through the mail. 1860 Henry Manual. Ihave been thinking about getting one of these for a while, I have a question. This may a bit late, but I just got here. I also have an open top revolver and an 1873 rifle that are Uberti. On the other hand if you order over the Internet, there is a very high probability that at least one U.S. alphabet agency will have a record of your activity. Howell Conversions - GATED 1858 Remington Pietta .45 LC. It isnt the first C&B Revolver Ive bought, but the first one belongs to my son and he has it. Even though todays 1858s are made with modern steels and CNC machines, you still want to shoot only light cowboy loads through them. Mounted Shooting 1873 Rifle Cleaning Instructions. Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Black Powder replica. STAINLESS FINISH SHOWS LIGHT HANDLING WEAR. A recruit, playing (Hopefullly with an UN-Loaded revolver!) They make the guns for different companies and the workmanship is terrible. There is a wide variance in rifles, and I have seen it claimed that range is no more than 100 yards. This version features improved accuracy. 1858 Remington View Item in Catalog Lot #242 (Sale Order: 241 of 708) Sold for: $120.00 to F****b "Tax, Shipping & Handling and Internet Premium Get an UpLula magazine loader. New in Box-never fired. THE LOCK IS IN THE WHITE. Great writeup of a gun that has been on my list for a while. ARMI SAN MARCO .45 LC Hartford Model Box Papers Manual Spring, Genuine ASM & CVA - Stop Bolt - For Remington 1858 Revolver - Armi San Marco, Armi San Marco dragoon pistol grips pearl / gold leaf plastic, Armi San Marco Hawkeye/Ridgerunner Reference copy single page 7.5x11Diagram, SAN MARCO - ROAD BIKE - SADDLE - ROLLS - GOLD RAILS, Leave feedback about your eBay search experience - opens in new window or tab. Same thing with the barrels. 1883 Burgess Manual. NRA Life, Ozark Posse, Southern Missouri Rangers, Bear Creek Volunteers, Dooley Gang, Geezer Gang. But Civil War rifled muskets were lethal out to 300, so I have to question such a claim. One of these has been on my list of stuff to get for a long, long time. Brass front sight, notched hammer rear sight. While the Colt has been called the Peacemaker forever, I don't think Colt ever used the name. They make the guns for different companies and the workmanship is terrible. They tell me that they inspect every gun they get and wont sell anything they dont think is high quality, and I believe it. We spotted this boxed ASM Walker at a pawn and gun shop at a price I couldn't pass up. The Colt uses a "rampant" pony where the ASM is a pony just standing. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. WebRemington 1858 Armi San Marco 44 Black powder loading and shooting 4,144 views May 17, 2015 37 Dislike Share Save Harri Miettinen 68 subscribers Subscribe Shooting What is really going on is that the low velocity sabot or conicals drop quite a bit, and holdovers are extreme. what ever happen to "army san marcos" guns JavaScript is disabled. Replica Arms was the first importer for ASM revolvers, the first being the 1847 Walker. Silliness aside, I had little to no interest in black powder until I was at the range next to an older fellow firing rounds through an old muzzle loader rifle. As for the black powder, read the manual, page 10 in mine. 1885 High Wall Manual. The cookie settings on this website are set to 'allow all cookies' to give you the very best experience. Bore and chambers in very good+ $395.00 Add to Cart Compare Pietta Remington Percussion - C55996 A lot of their workers did not want to move out of town where all the gun makers were located, so ASM lost a lot of their talent which started their quality problems. 1866 Rifle Manual. But to me, it just seems that a black powder gun pushing a round ball does not have the ballistics to routinely be lethal on a whitetail deer. That is true. Today you can quickly convert your own Remington 1858, without first paying off some big corporation, by merely dropping in a cartridge conversion cylinder two popular versions are the Taylors R&D and Kirst conversions. Very scary as all get out. WebArmi San Marco ASM 2nd Model Dragoon ASM 1847 Walker ASM 1849 Pocket ASM 1849 Wells Fargo ASM 1858 1863 pocket ASM 1860 Army ASM 1861 Navy ASM 1862 1849 Wells Fargo ASM 1873 Single Action ASM 1892 Categories Armi San Marco Beretta Pedersoli Uberti Pietta Armi Sport [Chiappa] IAB [Pedretti] Sharps KIRST He knew the early production were quality gun and at some point there was a move and or change of management and quality went in the crapper. Any help would be appreciated. armi san marco