He passed away in 2020. Investigators seized several devices, but Kline contacted them a few days later about a device they hadnt seized. One of our team members talked to a detective in Kentucky a couple of years ago who told us about this expunged conviction. So every time a kid gets killed in a sexual murder, LE goes looking for photos and videos of the murder because obviously everyone who kills a kid takes pics of it and videotapes it. The judge would say you dont even have enough evidence against this man to take this case to court and throw it out of court. Not sure if its Tennessee, or Texas? No ones been hurt by this case more than Becky Patty. Im seeing in between. Hes a mechanic by trade, but used to drive trucks and works for a local trucking company with a high profile. We dont know if or when he worked for them before or after. We think the girl knew she was pregnant. Nevertheless, as you can see above, three things that we spotted in the crime scene photos have been verified by independent sources in the search party, so the fact that these are crime scene photos is now proven. DELPHI FBI Investigators believe the bodies of Abby Williams and Libby German were "moved and staged" at the Delphi murder scene, according to court documents. For example, a rape victim being naked from the waist down and legs splayed might invoke shock but the victim was not posed specifically to shock- just left as is. Theyve had video and audio of the guy from the beginning and its been too long without an arrest. Privacy Policy. He stopped for gas and cigarettes. If he had those objects found at the crime scene in his truck, he could have easily carried them down to the crime scene and used them to stage it with the objects. Its burgundy. Tell her I said HAVE A NICE DAY! Do the searchers who found the bodies know if they were posed? Pay no attention to the first sketch, which looks like a middle aged man, Mr. X. Always. I thought nobody looked like the BG in the actual video than PB (especially compared to that FB image with a deer)But now, not a chanceKirts fits that mofo better than allIts in the cheeks, the spit, etcThe cops have known for a while its him too I think. In fact, the rumor is that LE simply does not have enough evidence against Mr. X to take the case to court. And if it was 43 seconds, it would be on Libbys phone! . Instead of telling me to "look up" this or that, and hinting , somewhat, at theories,why not just state the theory . Oh one more thing. Face is in quotes because it's likely my mind just making a rational picture out of sticks and tree trunks. Let us know if you want to join the private sleuthing site where we can talk about this stuff in much greater detail than we do out here. They also think you get that way from your upbringing, especially with your father. And I happen to be trained as a Journalist. Isnt that logical. Hi there, have just come across your work and am interested in joining the private group. I dont get that vibe at all with everything I know, but then again I know very little lol. Im a retired homicide detective I know what Im talking about. Thats because they havent been told shit. That leads me, and others more knowledgeable than me, that there was SOMETHING with the bodies (possibly posed)that local LE thought there could be a serial killer. Garrett said it's possible that the gun jammed and the killer turned to another weapon. Several LE officials have said that Abby had a phone, whether with her or not is not known. People are saying that we have a copy of the gag order that was issued on the towing of the truck at the CPS building. However, the investigators have made it clear over the years that they are not yet ready to release further information about what happened to the teens. It turns out that we have acquired a sleuth who is a former detective. One daughter, estranged. No one knows if Mr. X is guilty or not. Many people from the Delphi area have gone over to went over to Evansdale to work on plants over there. Mr. X was employed by Indiana Packers around 2011 or 2012. His full name is Richard Matthew Allen. The warrant, obtained by the Murder Sheet podcast and released to Indianapolis FOX59, offered no further detail on what the souvenir was, although it did say that 'the rest of [the girls'] clothing was recovered,' implying that the killer had taken something they'd been wearing. Please help me out here. The girls bodies were discovered on his property - just1,400 from his house - and it was revealed over the summer that his alibi for the day of the murder did not line up. Im not saying he is or he isnt, but I would hope that every one of his statements has been gone over with a fine-toothed comb, verified, and re-verified for good measure. He was very fearful and it really hit him hard how he got treated on that Reddit sub. Which begs the question, if Mr. X is BG, how did he come to acquire a pair of Indiana Packers boots, which is what he appears to be wearing during his crime? And he has an accomplice, a much younger man. How did BG get across that knee-high stream in the middle of winter without nearly getting hypothermia and needing a change of clothes? Highly suspicious and the states that are responsible are more interested in getting into pissing contests as opposed to finding her. In the Delphi case, a signature could be very evident if both victims . 13) Search Shell station footage in between 25 miles from crime scene throughout. The sketch of the younger man is the catfish of the 19 year old boy used to lure in Libby from Snapchat. Just thought I would steel you for that thought. And fb, of course. A probable cause. But the police are having a very hard time gathering enough evidence against this man to take it to court. by Anonymous reply 23 February 5, 2021 3:58 PM Last, I want to bring up RL and the dirty hand LE dealt him throughout all of this. Distractify is a registered trademark. I think the girls met up with BG somewhere on that trail before they got onto the bridge. Kegan Kline, 28, of Peru, Indiana, was named as a possible suspect in the girls' murders. According to video recovered from one of the victim's phones, Abby or Libby mentioned "gun" as a man approached them, the probable cause affidavit said. Admitting his culpability only after lying to law enforcement, whom he first told that the girl shot herself while cleaning her weapon. Ron Logan: Enough already. Plenty of time to get numbers, etc. He saved society a lot of money by eating a bullet, freeing up some fresh air and making the world the tiniest bit of a better place. He is currently serving life in prison for his St. Louis crime. There are cases like this all over the country. So I held off. I cannot remember which girl had taken the photo of the man on the bridge with her cell phone, but I had read somewhere that on that cell phone there was audio of her saying something about a weird man approaching them and that is why she took the photo. On and on. Numbers 1-4 were told to a retired detective who works with one of our team members us by an LE source close to the investigation. Liberty "Libby" German and Abigail "Abby" Williams. The rejoinders also say that either he never lost his keys or he did and he called the wife to bring a spare, and she did, evidence being the police scanner. Mr. X did not have PIV sex with either girl. Relationship with older daughter and stepson: Unknown. It is currently unclear what the. It says they are looking for photos, videos, cameras, videocameras, film, etc. Theyre Delphi related videos comparing his appearance to BG. We do not have a copy of that gag order, but we were told that one had been issued by the courts. Libby's father, Derrick, makes them pancakes for breakfast. He said he had lost his keys and was going to call his wife to bring a spare set of keys to him. Another one of the videos had what Im assuming is a LinkedIn profile of some sort spliced into the slide show for a brief moment. Please refresh the page or navigate to another page on the site to be automatically logged inPlease refresh your browser to be logged in, Shocking new details have come to light about the murders of best friends Libby German, 14, and Abby Williams, 13, in a search warrant obtained by podcast The Murder Sheet and shared with The Independent, Find your bookmarks in your Independent Premium section, under my profile, This grainy image was taken on Libbys phone on the trail the day the girls went missing. Victim was an 8-12 year old female. FSG didnt recognize him either, and Im sure that FSG and Mr. X knew each other. Shes also written a book and is aware of my coverage. He also allegedly asked his cousin to back up his story before the girls bodies had been found. Have you wrote about what the investigators talked to RL about? So yeah, if you type in Mr Xs real govt registered name into the old YT, you get a handful of cryptic videos, slideshows with creepy music typical for this sort of thing. Ages approximate. The 2017 murder of Abby, 13, and Libby, 14, became notorious after investigators released chilling footage the girls recorded of a man following and approaching them across the Manon High Bridge. You will see below where we regard certain things as Proven. I saw the local Delphi News footage from the week of the murders where they interview Ron Logan while they are actually searching his property. There is no proof that the bodies are posed but the speculation of what it could mean if they were posed is worth discussion. During a search of Allen's home on Oct. 13, 2022, officers found knives and guns, including a "Sig Sauer, Model P226, .40-caliber pistol," the probable cause affidavit said. CN: Middle aged man, resident of Delphi. This person is externalizing their pain into rage and projecting it outwards at the world. 'I kill 8-year-old April Marie Tinsley. I realize unsolved would be a magnet for that but wow. Why would they deliberately contradict their own beliefs? Abby was the one that had the boyfriend. The bodies had been staged and the killing would likely have caused the killer to get . Come on, people. I am not sure. The two dates are perfect reversals of one another. If anyone else is involved they know who it is. BG is a 50 year old man and the three other men are younger, age 17-26. We just sent a couple of our investigators out to Delphi and surrounding towns. Kelsi has been investigated quite a bit, and she has been interviewed a few times by the FBI, including a couple of times at her school. A number of strange objects were found around the Evansdale girls similar to the bizarre images decorating the Delphi crime scene. We may or may not have from 1-8 more official case documents from this case. An image taken from the video was released years ago as police asked for information to help them find the unknown suspect. Bodies are also posed sometimes as a warning or message, like in revenge killings by the Mafia and various gangs, including narcos. When I was young I would take off till late evening, and it was ok. But after reading all of this my personal opinion I think 3 people are involved. It is interesting that they are looking for precisely 43 seconds of audio. Thats why all the smoke and mirrors. And if Mr. X was being tried today and I was on the jury, I would certainly vote to acquit. The 50-year-old from Delphi was taken into custody on Friday and booked into Carroll County Jail. Sometimes there are deliberate injuries to the mouth, including bullet wounds, as a sign that someone "talked.". Can anyone who has seen these photos post whether or not they shed some light on: Why he says they werent found 50 feet from the water. The YouTube channel Zav Girl broke down the text messages in a video entitled "Text Messages from the Guy that found Abby and Libby? The arrest of Allen could be the end of a years-long investigation during which numerous possible leads have led nowhere, and police have remained tight-lipped about details of the case. This family member may maintain a different surname, by generation, but they are in fact, related! Forgive me if someone else posted this.but the FBI was called in immediately. If they tried to take it to court, I am almost certain that the judge would throw it out before it even got to the trial stage. LE has no clue what is going on. and that you think he already knew that they would be there.. I saw this being explained in some YT comments to a bunch of brainlets. In a press conference on Monday, the state police took the first step towards providing justice to the brutally killed juveniles. There is a press conference on Monday at 10 a.m. We will say more. When we line the two theories against each other, ours wins hands down. David shot that down, and he then explained how what he saw differed from these images. Sometimes victims are posed as a signature as if to say when I do this again you will recognize my handy work and give me the credit although we have no evidence to suggest there was any posing at all. It is interesting to note that the Evansdale girls were also abducted on the 13th. So who is Mr. X? That would mean he would have had to drive back to Delphi by at least 3:45 and possibly later, depending on what town he was in and when he left. Yes, the police have told us that they now think that Bridge Guy or Mr. X did Evansdale too. Investigators think the bodies of slain Delphi girls, Abby Williams and Libby German, were staged and moved at the crime scene, court documents obtained by The Murder Sheet podcast revealed; the show's founders joined Nancy Grace and her expert guests on Wednesday's "Crime Stories" to discuss the case. Mr. Xs wife, his daughter, and Becky Patty are now putting out a story that Mr. X never lost his keys in the first place. Shout out to anyone else who feels the same. Investigators believe the man is the killer. I also believe there are other factors at play here possibly being protected and I dont think LE wants the truth of what happened to Abby and Libby to come out for whatever reason. Few of the illustrious Delphi Murders Youtubers has touched the real truth about this case as laid out in this website, probably because they are all narcissists who hate each other and hate anyone stealing their thunder. LE actually believes BG was 49-50 years old when he committed the crime. Alex Oliveira For Dailymail.Com, $49m to live four blocks from THAT drug market? Thank you so much for this excellent comment, Jennifer! Four people are involved at least peripherally, BG and three others. Staging- by definition means they were placed/posed pre or post mortem a certain way. At least some people like me. LE has already looked into him quite a bit, and I assume hes cleared. If this main POI isnt the bridge guy, he is definitely, without a doubt in my mind, involved in the murders of Abby and Libby in some form or fashion. I am not revealing the name of the main suspect here and will only refer to him as Mr. X. I also request all commenters to also refer to him as Mr. X. I do this as a simple measure to try to protect his identity. By She recorded them for a good six minutes and definitely longer. In the actual footage you can see flash bulbs popping off, presumably taking pics of the scene. After news of Allen's arrest broke on Friday, another disturbing photo of the possible perp emerged and began to circulate online. Why on Earth would the killer have a copy of an audio file from Libbys phone! This KAK guy simply got messed up in sending sexual videos to underage teenage girls and collecting the same from them. Kline is being held in jail after being arrested on separate child porn charges in 2020. Faked to make it look like he could not possibly have committed the crime because he was more devastated than anyone else. He went away for a bit and came back a while later with proof from LE that some of the things we have been reporting as rumors here are absolute fact. But many questions still remain around the murders of Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14. They are within the video. I tend to agree. He detailed other information about the crime scene, and the differences in the girls' apparent injuries. Derrick German: Libbys father, meth dealer, convict who served time in prison and supposedly ratted people out to get a lower sentence. Liberty "Libby" German, 14 years old, and 13-year-old Abigail "Abby" Williams were both perfectly normal and sweet teenage girls. We believe that his truck got towed later on when his wife never showed up with the keys, that Mr. X searched Ron Logans land that evening with two other men, and that he left his truck sitting in that same spot for 18 hours until the next day when the bodies were found. Every podcast is all about them! and our I cant tell you how many searches I participated in when I was in uniform for kids this age. The girl survived, and Chadwell is currently serving a 90-year sentence for the attack. I could know that some guy was a serial killer with 10 victims, and I dont have to go to the police. These partial DNA samples are useful to LE. I have an official case document here in my hand. Similar murder conditions. Can you spell out the name? Then email me and and I will give you the link and password and I will also let you into the new forum where you can set up your own name and password. . Where is the balance? Rumor is that Abbys was pink. Because of the nature of the victims wounds, it is nearly certain the perpetrator of the crime would have gotten blood on his person/clothing.. They go up to the knee and are designed to be waterproof. Deer kits have five knives, so we assume this one does too. A police chief in Martinez accused the man of committing these crimes, and the man sued the city and won $50,000. Someone tries to fire the gun but it's a faulty bullet and it doesn't fire, or 2.) LE must know that BG recorded 43 seconds of audio, presumably of his crime. Mr. X needed the lost his keys excuse to explain how he stayed in that spot for 18 hours. We all go through shit in our lives, but if she wants to stop making enemies, she can stop picking fights. In a blown-up pic of him, you can clearly see that it has the shape of handcuffs. Isnt that logical. Old style 501 blue jeans from the 1980s Dad jeans. BG made a deep cut to the throat of one victim, probably with a hatchet, that resembles the deep cuts made to the throats of pigs at some slaughterhouses. I do not want to see this man or his family harassed in any way. I am thinking that maybe which ever one was pregnant may not have known. You learn which rumors have promise and which have not panned out. DELPHI, Ind. They recovered Libbys phone, so they wouldnt still be looking for the audio/video. These are the facts about the man LE suspects is BG. Watch on Oops, we couldn't find that track. I find it very hard to believe either of the girls were targeted by anyone-everything about this case screams random attack by a killer who knew the most likely location to find female victims he could easily overpower. Ive used that a thousand times, especially when there are two or more suspects in adjacent interrogation rooms. Since Allen's arrest, it was also revealed that his home was less than two miles from the Delphi train bridge where Williams and German were last seen alive. I strongly believe them to be fake.